• Home
  • About Genetic Genealogy
  • About
  • Archives
  • Featured Articles

The Genetic Genealogist

Adding DNA to the Genealogist's Toolbox

Q&A: Everyone Has Two Family Trees – A Genealogical Tree and a Genetic Tree

November 10th, 2009 in Ancient DNA, DNA for Newbies |

I recently received an interesting question from a reader (see this comment) about 23andMe’s Relative Finder, and thought it would be worth sharing the question and my answer with all my readers.

The Question:

I’m a man who recently took a 23andMe test, and I have a question about Relative Finder.  Another man who I match on 36 of 37 Y-DNA markers via Family Tree DNA also took a 23andMe test.  We believe that we are third cousins, but this individual does not show up as related in Relative Finder, nor does he show any similarities in the Family Inheritance section.  Does this mean that we are not related at all?

The Answer

If two individuals do not share any DNA in the Family Inheritance section of 23andMe or do not appear as relatives in Relative Finder, this absolutely does not mean that they are not or cannot be relatives.  It does suggest, however, that the two individuals might not share any DNA.  Although your Y-DNA test suggests that you share a recent common male ancestor, it appears that apart from your Y chromosomes you do not share any other DNA.

DNA is randomly passed down from generation to generation.  A parent does not pass on their entire genetic makeup to a child; as a result, bits and pieces of DNA are lost in each generation.

Cousins will only share DNA if they happen to have randomly inherited that DNA from their shared ancestors.  With each generation that separates the cousins, the probability that they share DNA decreases, because with every generation it is more likely that they will not inherit DNA from their ever-more-remote shared ancestors.

Third cousins, for example, share only 2 of their 16 ancestors at 4 generations.  In this example, it appears that those two ancestors did not contribute an identical segment to both you and your third cousin.  Interestingly, it is possible that both you and your cousin have segments of DNA from these ancestors, but they wouldn’t show up as a match in Family Inheritance or Relative Finder unless they were the same segment of DNA.

Also keep in mind that a 23andMe test is only comparing those sections of the DNA that are examined by the test; a whole-genome test, currently not available to consumers (at least at an affordable price), is the only test that can compare an individual’s entire DNA makeup to another’s.

Two Family Trees

In reality, everyone has two family trees.  The first is a Genealogical Tree, which is every ancestor in history that had a child who had a child who had a child that ultimately led to you.  Every decision made by every person in that tree contributed to who and what you are today.

However, not every person in that tree contributed a segment of your DNA sequence (because of random inheritance, as discussed above).  As a result, we have a second family tree - a Genetic Tree – which is a tree that contains only those ancestors who contributed to our DNA.  No one has yet been able to construct their Genetic Tree, but soon it will be a reality thanks to advances in genetic sequencing and comparison such Relative Finder.  These tools are using relatedness between people living today to deduce the inheritance of DNA from people who have been dead for centuries.

I have many questions about Genetic Trees that I’m looking forward to answering with new tools in the future, including the following:

  • At 10 generations, I have approximately 1024 ancestors (although I know there is some overlap).  How many of these ancestors are part of my Genetic Tree?  Is it a very small number?  A surprisingly large number?
  • What percentage, on average, of an individual’s genealogical tree at X generations is part of their genetic tree?

What questions about Genetic Trees can you come up with?

Post to Twitter

← Genetic Genealogy Tidbits
A Review of Familybuilder DNA Testing →

15 Responses to “ Q&A: Everyone Has Two Family Trees – A Genealogical Tree and a Genetic Tree ”

  1. # 1 Pamela Rowe Says:
    November 10th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    This is quite an informative article. It is also an excellent summary for what is happening right now at 23&Me with Relative Finder, Thank You.

  2. # 2 Dana Waring Says:
    November 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

    This is a great post – Hadn’t ever thought of it quite like this but it makes perfect sense!

  3. # 3 fejes.ca: Article Roundup - November 9-11, 2009 Says:
    November 13th, 2009 at 1:25 am

    [...] between DTC genotyping risks – LinkThe difference between Genetic and Genealogical family trees – LinkHelicos no longer selling itself – LinkResearchMatch: an NIH resource to link volunteers with [...]

  4. # 4 Apple's Tree: Weekly Rewind Says:
    November 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    [...] subject but that’s OK because the brilliant, Dr. Blaine Bettinger continues to teach me. Check out Everyone Has Two Family Trees – A Genealogical Tree and a Genetic Tree at The Genetic Genealogist. – And while you are there congratulate Blaine on passing the Bar [...]

  5. # 5 race/history/evolution notes: Megan Smolenyak on 23andMe's Relative Finder Says:
    November 19th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    [...] ancestry of genes. Also see Genealogical vs. genetic ancestors and Blaine Bettinger’s post on genealogical and genetic trees. While Relative Finder will uncover the occasional surprising distant relationship, mostly it will [...]

  6. # 6 Victor Says:
    January 1st, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Blaine,
    Surfing for similar topics I came upon another blog (Luke Jostins’) that presents an answer to the last two questions in your post above. See it here:
    How many ancestors share our DNA?
    http://www.genetic-inference.co.uk/blog/?p=728#more-728

  7. # 7 Zalewski Family Genealogy » Blog Archive » Follow Friday Says:
    January 21st, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    [...] and your Genetic Tree and how they each may help you find information about the other one. Read his Q&A: Everyone Has Two Family Trees – A Genealogical Tree and a Genetic Tree [...]

  8. # 8 Sanjay Maharaj Says:
    January 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    The genetic tree should be a very interesting project constructing your very own genetic tree. Exciting things to come

  9. # 9 Kathleen Brandt Says:
    January 24th, 2010 at 8:59 pm

    Thanks for this info. Will need to reread when my mind is fresh, but printed it for early morning. Need to make sure I grasp all!

  10. # 10 Kal Spencer Says:
    February 25th, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I have been doing genealogy for a number of years and was just looking into DNA testing to try and piece togther some distant relatives. Thus is the first time I had ever heard of having a genetic tree. Now that I understand it I am looking forward tot ehday we can have whole-genome testing available to us.

  11. # 11 Dora Smith Says:
    August 17th, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Question; what do you say to 23andMe’s claim that what changes across generations is not the relative number of shared segments, but their size? With every generation the segments of shared DNA get smaller because of being progressively chopped up. So that if you’re fourth or fifth cousins, you ought to share a segment that is so big.

  12. # 12 How Many Ancestors Share Our DNA? « Genetic Inference Says:
    August 22nd, 2010 at 5:55 am

    [...] at the Genetic Genealogist, Blaine Bettinger has a Q&A post up about the difference between a genetic tree and a genealogical tree. The destinction is that [...]

  13. # 13 Problems with AncestryDNA’s Genetic Ethnicity Prediction? Says:
    June 24th, 2012 at 2:01 am

    [...] that “Everyone Has Two Family Trees – A Genealogical Tree and a Genetic Tree.” Your Genealogical Tree is the tree containing ALL of your ancestors.  However, only a tiny [...]

  14. # 14 Speculation « Tell the Journey Says:
    September 13th, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    [...] FF Forum that discuss the difference between genealogical relationships and genetic relationships: Everyone Has Two Family Trees – A Genealogical Tree and a Genetic Tree and How Many Ancestors Share Our DNA?   So Sarah J. Taylor may turn out to be just my [...]

  15. # 15 Joe Flood Says:
    March 3rd, 2013 at 12:31 am

    I find it very hard to believe that third cousins would not have significant DNA in common. Specifically – one sixteenth!

    There is no such thing as “genetic trees”. If you are related you share DNA – it’s that simple.

    Of course you might not in fact be related to your third cousin if there has been funny business in the family – that is the first thing I would look at.

    JF, co-ordinator COAD, BLOOD and CORNWALL

  • About

    The Genetic Genealogist examines the intersection of traditional genealogical techniques and modern genetic research. The blog also explores the latest news and developments in the related field of personal genomics. To learn more about me or about genetic genealogy, please explore the site.
  • My NEW eBook!

    Download my FREE 28-page eBook:
    "I Have The Results of My Genetic Genealogy Test, Now What?"


  • Search TGG

  • Connect

    Follow Blaine at Twitter


  • Categories

  • Subscribe


    Enter your email address:

    Delivered by FeedBurner





  • Google
  • Blaine T. Bettinger
    Blaine T. Bettinger Reviews
    powered by Speaker Mix


The Genetic Genealogist © 2007 - 2008 All Rights Reserved. Powered by WordPress
Process in 28 queries. 1.603 seconds.

Graphite 2.2 made by Nurudin Jauhari
Entries and Comments.