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		<title>By: MicrobiologyBytes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gene Genie #14: Bugs and Beyond</title>
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		<dc:creator>MicrobiologyBytes &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gene Genie #14: Bugs and Beyond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Genealogist describes what can be done with the results of a Y-DNA test and describes a holdup on GINA, the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, a piece of U.S. legislation that would protect individuals from discrimination based upon their [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Genealogist describes what can be done with the results of a Y-DNA test and describes a holdup on GINA, the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, a piece of U.S. legislation that would protect individuals from discrimination based upon their [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Blaine Bettinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blaine Bettinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UneasyWithThis - Thanks for commenting.  I hope Mr. Gunn comes back to respond to your comment.  As you probably know, GINA is still facing a tough battle in the Senate, and I&#039;m not certain that it will come up for a vote during the current Congress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UneasyWithThis &#8211; Thanks for commenting.  I hope Mr. Gunn comes back to respond to your comment.  As you probably know, GINA is still facing a tough battle in the Senate, and I&#8217;m not certain that it will come up for a vote during the current Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: UneasyWithThis</title>
		<link>http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/08/23/gina-an-update-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator>UneasyWithThis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi - I found this when I went looking for why Coburn blocked the bill from passage.

Frankly, Mr. Gunn&#039;s comments are quite frightening.  And no one has ever been able to explain to me, adequately, why we must be so hell-bent on ameliorating insurance company risk.  It&#039;s a risky game; we pay premiums, and in the event we need services, they pay out.  That&#039;s the deal.  If you don&#039;t like the deal, maybe you should be an agent or run an insurance company?

I think the American people are tired of having to bear the full brunt of everything; it&#039;s another way for the elites (or the &#039;haves&#039;) to keep more money from honest, hardworking people.  All ready this year, my deductible has been raised; there is a separate new one for specialist visits that must be met and all my co-pays went up.  (And yet, so did my premiums!)  I&#039;m fairly young, in good health and I barely use insurance.  The insurance company is getting quite a bit out of me right now, so pardon me if I get some back in kind when I&#039;m older and in less robust health.  

To continue to parse and pass along more and more to the American public is what forces people to consider things like *shock* *horror* universal healthcare.

It&#039;s time the insurance companies stopped playing around, figuring ways to avoid responsibility, and just go back to accepting premiums and placing claims.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I found this when I went looking for why Coburn blocked the bill from passage.</p>
<p>Frankly, Mr. Gunn&#8217;s comments are quite frightening.  And no one has ever been able to explain to me, adequately, why we must be so hell-bent on ameliorating insurance company risk.  It&#8217;s a risky game; we pay premiums, and in the event we need services, they pay out.  That&#8217;s the deal.  If you don&#8217;t like the deal, maybe you should be an agent or run an insurance company?</p>
<p>I think the American people are tired of having to bear the full brunt of everything; it&#8217;s another way for the elites (or the &#8216;haves&#8217;) to keep more money from honest, hardworking people.  All ready this year, my deductible has been raised; there is a separate new one for specialist visits that must be met and all my co-pays went up.  (And yet, so did my premiums!)  I&#8217;m fairly young, in good health and I barely use insurance.  The insurance company is getting quite a bit out of me right now, so pardon me if I get some back in kind when I&#8217;m older and in less robust health.  </p>
<p>To continue to parse and pass along more and more to the American public is what forces people to consider things like *shock* *horror* universal healthcare.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time the insurance companies stopped playing around, figuring ways to avoid responsibility, and just go back to accepting premiums and placing claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Gunn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Something seems wrong about this to me, and I think a more subtle approach is called for.  The only thing personal genomics will do is give you a better estimate of your risk for disease X.  There are other situations where insurance is offered where the risk is fairly well known, and perhaps the models used there would be informative.    For example, people who live in coastal areas for which there is historical data on storm risk.  If they want coverage for storm damage, they have to buy that separately, but their base homeowners policy remains competitive.     If the government were to mandate that homeowners policies for coastal and landlocked properties had to be the same price, the companies would simply raise the premiums for everyone across the board.  Some people do pay more for insurance, but when you consider that every place has its own risks and its own required additional coverage, there isn&#039;t that much of a spread in premiums, all told.  I&#039;ll bet if insurance companies had access to genetic information, they&#039;ll use a similar model.  

Basic coverage for everyone would be about the same(probably cheaper, actually), and everybody would have some kind of extra coverage they could sign up for for the things they&#039;re most at risk for. Overall premiums should remain about the same, all told, and the cost of health care would probably drop, allowing insurance companies to offer cheaper premiums.  In fact, I&#039;d bet they do an end run around any legislation by offering major discounts if you agree to let them do a genetic screening of you as part of your exam.

Now, people for the most part choose where they live and that&#039;s not an option for insurance, but someone has to pay for healthcare at some point, so it seems to me like you either go single payer national healthcare system, or you let the private insurance companies assign risk as best they can.

I live in New Orleans, so I&#039;m certainly mistrustful of the insurance companies.  What I&#039;m trying to say is that I think the single-payer system is the only way to go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something seems wrong about this to me, and I think a more subtle approach is called for.  The only thing personal genomics will do is give you a better estimate of your risk for disease X.  There are other situations where insurance is offered where the risk is fairly well known, and perhaps the models used there would be informative.    For example, people who live in coastal areas for which there is historical data on storm risk.  If they want coverage for storm damage, they have to buy that separately, but their base homeowners policy remains competitive.     If the government were to mandate that homeowners policies for coastal and landlocked properties had to be the same price, the companies would simply raise the premiums for everyone across the board.  Some people do pay more for insurance, but when you consider that every place has its own risks and its own required additional coverage, there isn&#8217;t that much of a spread in premiums, all told.  I&#8217;ll bet if insurance companies had access to genetic information, they&#8217;ll use a similar model.  </p>
<p>Basic coverage for everyone would be about the same(probably cheaper, actually), and everybody would have some kind of extra coverage they could sign up for for the things they&#8217;re most at risk for. Overall premiums should remain about the same, all told, and the cost of health care would probably drop, allowing insurance companies to offer cheaper premiums.  In fact, I&#8217;d bet they do an end run around any legislation by offering major discounts if you agree to let them do a genetic screening of you as part of your exam.</p>
<p>Now, people for the most part choose where they live and that&#8217;s not an option for insurance, but someone has to pay for healthcare at some point, so it seems to me like you either go single payer national healthcare system, or you let the private insurance companies assign risk as best they can.</p>
<p>I live in New Orleans, so I&#8217;m certainly mistrustful of the insurance companies.  What I&#8217;m trying to say is that I think the single-payer system is the only way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: VentureBeat &#187; Personal genomics and the end of insurance</title>
		<link>http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/08/23/gina-an-update-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-499</link>
		<dc:creator>VentureBeat &#187; Personal genomics and the end of insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 01:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This fear is the primary driver behind the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, which would bar insurers and employers from discriminating on the basis of genomic information or services. GINA, as the bill is affectionately known by its supporters, passed the House by an enormous margin earlier this year, but is currently held up in the Senate by an obstreperous Oklahoma senator, even though President Bush has pledged to sign it. (There&#8217;s more info here, here and here.) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This fear is the primary driver behind the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, which would bar insurers and employers from discriminating on the basis of genomic information or services. GINA, as the bill is affectionately known by its supporters, passed the House by an enormous margin earlier this year, but is currently held up in the Senate by an obstreperous Oklahoma senator, even though President Bush has pledged to sign it. (There&#8217;s more info here, here and here.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Genome Technology Daily Scan</title>
		<link>http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/08/23/gina-an-update-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Genome Technology Daily Scan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Boston Globe and The Genetic Genealogist have updates on GINA. Though passed by the House and likely to be signed into law by President [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Boston Globe and The Genetic Genealogist have updates on GINA. Though passed by the House and likely to be signed into law by President [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By:  MicrobiologyBytes</title>
		<link>http://www.thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/08/23/gina-an-update-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-436</link>
		<dc:creator> MicrobiologyBytes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;misuse of the term junk DNA, and The Personal Genome describes a near-death experience for the gene.  The Genetic Genealogist describes what can be done with the results of a Y-DNA test and describes a holdup onGINA, the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act, a piece of U.S. legislation that would protect individuals from discrimination based upon their genetic information by employers or insurance companies.  Finally, the industry buzz is mostly around&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;]]></description>
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